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Topic: An English castle in Glasgow
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Gordon
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posted 04-07-2001 07:24 AM
Attended the Burrell Collection in Glasgow's Pollok Park today for the umpteenth time, a museum designed to display the considerable (9000 items)collection of the late Sir William Burrel which he donated to the city. The collection covers all major periods of history, with a large medieval content.
This includes large armorial doorways and stonework from all over Europe, but the most impressive examples, one of which frames the entranceway, come from the 14th c work at Hornby Castle in Yorkshire. It struck me again that although acquired initally for a private collection and taken from public view, that this depletion of heritage from original sites can only be detrimental to local heritage, however enriching for the museums and host cities which display them. Undoubtedly there is a case for preservation when the site is under threat, but is it always necessary to remove items of such local value? What remains of Hornby on it's Yorkshire site? Can more be done to preserve and display our heritage on it's original site, or is removal to a museum always the best option? [This message has been edited by Gordon (edited 04-07-2001).] |
Levan
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posted 04-08-2001 07:30 AM
 
Hmm, it's quite a dilemma. There are elements of our past that are available to be seen only because folks who recognised and appreciated the quality and relevance of antiquities "looted" them from their original site. In many instances, the rightful custodians of such items were more than happy to allow others to take their heritage away, sometimes from motives of avarice, carelessness, convenience or sometimes out of plain ignorance.My feeling is that where possible, the best place for heritage to be seen and appreciated is in the locality of it's origin, or at least where the items have spent the most significant periods of their history (we need to remember that some things have multiple legitimate claiments). I'm relieved that in the main, Britain has finally become more enlightened about its heritage. That said, there are still many controversies raging - for example - where should the Stone of Scone be held, Westminster, Scone or Edinburgh - or maybe even Palestine? Similarly, what's the best thing to do about antiquities that are suffering irrepairable errosion in their current sites - should they be moved, at all, locally or where most people can conveniently appreciate the items without causing environmental damage to the original site? Levan
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Peter
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posted 04-08-2001 12:54 PM
Hornby .. Yorkshire !
Not Lancashire ?
I have a picture of Hornby in its full glory staring down off the wall (one of my better photo's).
Re: the question .. I don't think anything should be taken from a site unless it is for safety. Sadly their are people who specialise in removing items to order. How some of the larger items are stolen is beyond me. |
Gordon
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posted 04-08-2001 01:04 PM
The museum claim Yorkshire. To help with ID, it states the following in the Pamphlet on 'Architectural Stonework', one portal
'..formed part of the refurbishments carried out at Hornby by William, Lord Conyers (1468-1524)......'
I'd like to see your picture if possible, Peter. I have taken some pics of the two doorways from Hornby, once I've finished the spool and had it developed, I'll post to the Photo Archive, (how soon that is depends on how well the fishing goes!!)------------------
 'The 'Artiste' formerly known as wurdsmiff!'  [This message has been edited by Gordon (edited 04-08-2001).] |
Peter
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posted 04-09-2001 01:29 PM
No problem Gordon.
Also have a booklet somewhere; Hornby, W.O. Roper, 1903, Standard Printing.
Will try and find that as well. See what it has to say.
You can go round to the museum and smack their hands .. Yorkshire indeed ! |
AJR
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posted 04-10-2001 01:08 AM
I note from my records that there are Hornby Castles in both Lancashire & Yorkshire.
The one in Lancs. is at OS Map Ref. SD 587687, while the one in N. Yorks. is at OS Map Ref SE 226937. |
Peter
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posted 04-10-2001 01:36 PM
Cheers Andrew .. that would explain things.
Will now go and have a drink to refresh my grey cells, and recheck my sources.
Like to know where the Yorkshire one is ! |
Gordon
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posted 04-10-2001 03:09 PM
Let me know if you find out, I'd be interested in piecing together whether anything was left behind, or if the site was cleared.------------------
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Peter
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posted 04-11-2001 02:55 PM
Well shake my braces .. there are two Hornby's in Yorkshire !!!!!! |
Gordon
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posted 04-12-2001 08:09 AM
Any data Peter?
Do either of them match the Glasgow relics?------------------
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Peter
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posted 04-12-2001 12:30 PM
Where's that Andrew gone !!!
Not searched the old w.w.w.
But only mention I can find is with our old friend John Leland.
Who states ... " Hornby Castle, the principal seat of Lord Conyers, is three miles from Swale; it is two miles south of Catterick and three miles north-west of Bedale", so at least we know where to find it !
The puzzle is afoot Holmes .. or something like that Gordon. |
Gordon
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posted 04-12-2001 03:01 PM
Thank you Dr Watson, where's the hound?------------------
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AJR
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posted 04-23-2001 03:38 AM
The hound is here - now, what was it you wanted Peter (assuming the Andrew you mentioned was me) ? |
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